Minutes of meetings in 1997
MINUTES OF MEETING
OF CHIEF FIRE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AT IPA ON ON 13 February
1997
IN ATTENDANCE
T.GLEESON, C MCCONN, M HANLY, S. MURPHY ,D. TRAENOR, S.
GROGAN, , E. MAGUIRE, , K. CAFFREY, V. MAGUIRE, S MC DERMOTT, D.
O’CEILLEACHAIR ,J. MORAN, ,M FITZSIMMONS , ,C. CORMICAN, V. MULHERN, M.
RAFTERY & T. MCCARTHY AS
CHAIRMAN.
APOLOGIES JO’SHAUGHNESSY G. MALONE , F. KERRANE C.
MURPHY, M. STACK M. WALSH , K. CASHEN
1.
Minutes
The minutes of meeting of 12/12/96 were read and adopted by the meeting ;Proposed M Fitzsimmons, Seconded K. Caffrey .
2. Matters arising out of the Minutes
Review of Petroleum licensing system is ongoing . Present position is
that Kerbside Stations should be phased out by 31/12/99
3. Correspondence
The correspondence was read to the meeting and noted. In particular
A letter/survey from the RTE re Call out charges which was circulated to all F.A.’s It was the view of the meeting that it was a matter for the Management of each Local Authority
Draft Guidelines for Planning Authorities were issued to each Local Authority PD2/97 There was no reference to fire fighting Hon Sec to write to DOE and ask for fire safety input into Document.
Royal Association of Belgian Fire-fighters invited Representatives of Irish Fire Service Via Dublin Fire Brigade to Brussels in May 1997 Chairman To Attend
Successful bid by APTB on ”Survey on the career of professional fire fighters in Europe” under EU Leonardo De Vinci program was noted by the meeting
reply to NSAI on Emergency Lighting was accepted by the meeting Hon Sec to send on to NSAI
Chairman to circulate members of all current nominees on EU/ Pr En CEN Committees on Various Draft European Codes Of Practice Under Control Of NSAI
Agreed to put CFOA in proposed Edition of Irish Journalist’s Handbook Vice Chairman (PRO) to arrange
M Hanly to send draft of constitution of a proposed Vocational Group for Senior Fire Officers Within Impact to Hon Sec. Hon Sec then to contact other groups in Impact
4. Rostering On Call/ implementation
The implementation of the on call was reviewed.. There appeared to be
particular difficulties in Cavan , Roscommon, Wexford Carlow and Longford.
The difficulties stemmed from lack of staffing in some authorities,
proposed use of non fire officers in the roster in some counties, and perceived
legal difficulties with cross border arrangements. In view of above The Chairman
informed the meeting that he would write to IMPACT and request them to write to.
DOE and LGSNB expressing the Association’s concern with these developments and
if necessary he would issue a press statement on the matter.
As regards Control Room Procedures in the Munster Region, it was noted that there was ongoing discussion between the members in the region on this issue.
As regards staffing Hon Sec circulated a case study
prepared by Irish Planning Institute on shortage of technical planning staff in
L.A.’s as an example
5. Regional Communications Sub-Committee Reports
No change since previous meeting
M Hanly expressed concern
about recently circulated draft Report MIS And The Fire Service and whether it
went too far. It was noted that it could not be implemented without the approval
of IT officer in the L.A..
6. Building Regulations/Control TGD B Review
report on retrospective Fire Safety Certificates was circulated at the meeting. After some discussion, it was agreed that the Sub Committee would draft a letter to CCMA for consideration offering the report which identifies the problem and offers some solutions
Hon sec circulated the following
Example Appeal under UK Building Regulations from UK Journal Building Control Feb 1997
Cautionary note from Scottish Office On BSI DD on Code Of Practice for FSE 1997
7. LGSNB REVIEW OF RETAINED FIRE SERVICE
M Hanly document of 07/01/97 on the Retained Fire Service was agreed as the brief from the CFOA to the management side on the above negotiations. It was noted that M Hanly has been co-opted onto an advisory group advising the LGSNB on these negotiations.
S Grogan noted that the frequency of payment had implications for the social welfare entitlements of unemployed retained fire fighters and it was becoming an IR issue locally
8. Better Local Government a programme for change 1996
This report was discussed and it was accepted that it will
result in fundamental changes in LA’s To keep members informed , it was agreed
that the Chairman would invite Mr J. Cullen of DOE to brief a future meeting of
CFOA on this new change in Government policy for L.A’s
9 Flashover Training And The Fire Service
Chairman updated meeting on a recent report he received
from D O’Mahony on a house fire in Wales where two fire-fighters lost their
lives in Backdraught /Flashover. The Fire Authority were found negligent by HSE
because the BA team had no safe escape route as a hose reel jammed the front
door, there was no emergency BA team as only one appliance was initially
mobilised, and the retained OIC was inadequately trained as he was not able to
assess that a flashover was imminent. It
was agreed that as FSC were upgrading MOD 1 &2 Courses for Junior Officers
and M Hanly was on a subcommittee looking at these courses, he would
bring the concerns of the CFOA on this issue to the attention of the FSC.
10. Conferences 1997/1998.
The theme of the conference in 1997 is “ Health & Safety Year 2000 and beyond: Where stands the Fire Service?”In the absence of the Conference Secretary, the Chairman updated the meeting on the draft programme for the Conference
There will be speakers from USA, Sweden UK and Ireland
Conference 1998 which was provisionally booked for Cork City at previous meeting subject to agreement of Denis O’Mahony to be confirmed
Items 12. Emergency Lighting
Central Test agreed
13 Water Rescue
No agreed position it is a matter for each L.A. Training and equipment/protective clothing Insurance requirements are onerous for water rescue Note Civil Defence have been provided with boats
In some counties CD taking a primary role , in other counties taking a secondary role in water rescue
14 A.O.B.
E Maguire queried position re domestic plastic oil tanks M Fitzsimmons thinks it is been addressed in revised TGD J.
S Hogan has written a position paper on his views on role of Civil Defence in Major Emergencies
Chairman to approach DOE re proposed meeting with CFOA executive
CCEA to approach Hon Sec re proposed meeting with CFOA executive
next Meeting at IPA Dublin in late March 1997
THIS CONCLUDED THE BUSINESS OF THE MEETING
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MINUTES OF MEETING OF CHIEF FIRE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AT IPA ON 03 APRIL 1997.
IN ATTENDANCE
T.GLEESON, M HANLY, S. MURPHY ,D. TRAENOR G. MALONE , F. KERRANE C. MURPHY, M. STACK M. WALSH S. GROGAN, , E. MAGUIRE, , K. CAFFREY, V. MAGUIRE D. O’CEILLEACHAIR , , ,M FITZSIMMONS ,M COLLINS ,
V. MULHERN, M. RAFTERY & T. MCCARTHY AS CHAIRMAN.
APOLOGIES JO’SHAUGHNESSY
M. WALSH , C. CORMICAN, K. CASHEN C MCCONN , S MC DERMOTT J. MORAN
1.
Minutes
The minutes of meeting of 13/02/97 were read and adopted by the meeting ;Proposed
S Grogan, seconded
V. Mulhern .
2. Matters arising out of the Minutes
Chairman reviewed S Hogan’s draft document on Civil Defence in Major Emergencies
Hon Sec to circulate to G Malone M Fitzsimmons , T.Gleeson,
3. Correspondence
The correspondence was read to the meeting and noted. In particular
DOE circular 4/97 of 06/03/97 on New Salary Scales for Engineers and Cognate Grades was outlined to the meeting
Successful bid by APTB on ”Survey on the career of professional fire fighters in Europe” under EU Leonardo De Vinci program was noted by the meeting
reply From NSAI on Emergency Lighting was read to the meeting
Proposed bid by CFOA with CACFOA (UK) under FEU and Leonardo De Vinci program for 1997 was noted by the meeting
DoE Circular Fire 3/97 re Fire Safety Inspections was read to the meeting
Circular demeaned during performance inspections in addition Annual Licensing Inspections Hon Sec to reply to DOE outlining CFOA Concerns; lack of power under FSA(1981), Overcrowding almost impossible to prove in Court and essentially a matter for Gardai, Lack of Staff in LA Fire Depts. Legal difficulties with prosecution under FSA.
DOE Capital Summary FOR 1996 circulated to the meeting
4. Rostering On Call/ implementation
No change since previous meeting . Hon Sec to write to Impact again.
note Donegal have an Engineer who acts as CFO temporarily on roster for a year to cover fire officer on temporary leave
5. Regional Communications Sub-Committee Reports
No change since previous meeting
East All Laois now mobilised from Dublin, West Control Centre almost built, Communication Consultant about to be appointed, South Cork Project not expected to finish until early 1998.
6. Building Regulations/Control TGD B Review
New TGD B and new regulations to be issued in May 1997 with commencement date 01/01/98
7. LGSNB REVIEW OF RETAINED FIRE SERVICE
M Hanly updated meeting on current strategy of Management for the
Negotiations with SIPTU re Rostering in two pump Stations, and crewing in one
Pump Stations
. Siptu want to change payment system to guarantee incomes to fire-fighters as
at present.
8. Better Local Government a programme for change 1996
Mr K. Cullen(DOE) gave a talk to the meeting on above and outlined DOE position on reform of LA.
9 Flashover Training And The Fire Service
M Hanly noted that FSC subcommittee on Junior Fire Officer training was looking at this issue
10. Conferences 1997/1998
Conference Sec 1997 F KERRANE updated meeting on the Conference and everything was on schedule.
Conference 1998 which was provisionally booked for Cork City at previous meeting subject to agreement of Denis O’Mahony to be confirmed
11 A.O.B.
Treasurer informed meeting Subscriptions now due from 01/04/97 ideally by Standing Order
M Fitzsimmons reported to the meeting that there are problems with Social Welfare and unemployed Retained Fire Fighters Service and he wanted the issue addressed nationally with the Doe. From straw poll present up to 8 Counties had problems with Dept Of Social Welfare
Agenda for meeting with Doe and Cfoa Executive agreed
Next meeting at Annual Conference in Donegal
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MINUTES OF MEETING OF CHIEF FIRE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AT MOUNT ERRIGAL HOTEL ON 09 MAY 1997.
IN ATTENDANCE
T.GLEESON, M HANLY, S. MURPHY ,D. TRAENOR G. MALONE , C. MURPHY, M. STACK; S. GROGAN, K. CAFFREY, V. MAGUIRE;,,M FITZSIMMONS , K. CASHEN, S MC DERMOTT, P FORKAN; DO’MAHONY , M. RAFTERY &T. MCCARTHY AS CHAIRMAN.
APOLOGIES D. O’CEILLEACHAIR E. MAGUIRE, C MCCONN JO’SHAUGHNESSY
M. WALSH , C. CORMICAN, J. MORAN V. MULHERN F KERRANE
1. Minutes
The minutes of meeting of 03/04/97 were read and adopted by the meeting ;Proposed
D Traenor, seconded V.
Maguire .
2. Matters arising out of the Minutes
None
3. Correspondence
None
4. Rostering On Call/ implementation
No change since previous meeting. V
Maguire proposed a system for Cavan involving cross border arrangements with
Meath and Monaghan. Cork City can
not be implemented pending clarification
and Union Negotiation on behalf of 2nd Fire Officer in Cork. Roscommon about to
be implemented. Wexford asked to sign special conditions not acceptable to them
expect to implement as per National
Agreement
5. Regional Communications Sub-Committee Reports
No change since previous meeting
Concern was expressed at the meeting at the following ; plethora of interim schemes in Leinster involving Mobile phones in Meath, Leased line for Radio Bearer in Laois. Original User Requirements were being ignored as follows , no local business channel available except on request through Control Centre, wide area paging as a back up to MG4 alerting systems appears to be gone. Issues to be clarified at next TLG in Munster
6. Building Regulations/Control TGD B Review
New TGD B and new regulations to be launched at next BRAB
Meeting. DoE have been lobbied by
Architectural Profession to drop equivalence standard to new buildings for
change of use in existing Buildings. There
will be a fudge in new TGD B on this issue.
7. LGMSB Review of Retained Fire Service
M Hanly updated meeting on current strategy of Management for the Negotiations with SIPTU re Above. Negotiations will finish by September. SIPTU want any existing Concessions e.g. meals at fires- which are better than any negotiated system to be retained i.e. cherry picking by SIPTU . The result may be a two tier system a new system or existing system with opt in choice
SIPTU to write to all Branch Secretaries noting that they have no objection to retained fire-fighters attending Annual Medical. New Circular on Medicals to issue from LGMSB to Local Authorities
8. Better Local Government a programme for change 1996
IEI letter to all Local Authority Engineers was noted by the meeting. Chairman to attend IEI Meeting tonight and to invite IMPACT to negotiate for Senior Fire Officers if necessary.
Chairman to circulate CO.Engineer’s and CFOA submission to IEI on proposed structure for Local Authorities. Meeting betweem IEI and LGMSB next week
9. Conferences 1997/1998
Chairman recorded his congratulation to Conference Sec 1997 CFO F Kerrane and his wife Mary and staff in Fire Dept. in Donegal for all their work nd for the very successful 1997 Conference in Donegal .
Conference 1998 was provisionally booked for Tullamore subject to agreement of
D. O’Ceilleachair with Mullingar as a fall back location. Denis O’Mahony confirmed that for the present Cork City was not suitable for the Conference.
10 Meeting with DoE
Chairman summarised the outcome of meeting between CFOA
Executive and DOE in April 1997
11 A.O.B.
Treasurer informed meeting Subscriptions now due from 01/04/97 ideally by Standing Order
Next meeting in June 1997 at IEI HQ to be confirmed
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MINUTES OF MEETING OF CHIEF FIRE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AT IPA DUBLIN ON 25 June 97
IN ATTENDANCE
M HANLY, D. O’CEILLEACHAIR E. MAGUIRE, JO’SHAUGHNESSY C. CORMICAN, V. MULHERN, F KERRANE S. MURPHY ,D. TRAENOR, G. MALONE , K. CAFFREY, K. CASHEN, S MC DERMOTT, P FORKAN; M. RAFTERY & T. MCCARTHY AS CHAIRMAN.
APOLOGIES
T.GLEESON, M. STACK M. WALSH S. GROGAN, C MCCONN, M. WALSH
J. MORAN C. MURPHY DO’MAHONY M
FITZSIMMONS , V. MAGUIRE
1. Minutes
The minutes of meeting of 09/05/97 were adopted by the meeting ;Proposed
G. Malone, seconded
D Traenor
2. Matters arising out of the Minutes
None
3. Correspondence
None
4. Rostering On Call/ implementation
No change since previous meeting. Roster now implemented in Roscommon and Wexford.. It was noted that FSC intend to run a Command Course in the Autumn for Senior Fire Officers who have entered Fire Service in recent times. This course will concentrate on Command/Control issues.
Secretary to write to Impact requesting a meeting of
Fire Service Vocational Group re
CFOA concern re Engineers on roster in Cavan and Wexford.
Regional Communications Reports
The national Frequency Allocation Document had been discussed at TLG Meetings in the West and Munster. A TLG Meeting has been arranged in Leinster in early July.
Concern was expressed at the meeting at the proposal not to allow wide area paging as a back up to MG4 Alerters. It was claimed that the Do. Communications will not licence such a system
. Donegal is back in West System, but is looking for extra high sites to improve mobile radio comminications. All above developments should be monitored through TLG Meetings.
6. Building Regulations/Control TGD B Review
New TGD B and new regulations have not been signed by outgoing Minister.
DoE have been lobbied by Architectural Profession and other vested interested groups in Building Industry to relax certain requirements in TGD B e.g. noncombustibility of floors and walls of 1 hour or more Fire Resistance.
Secretary to write to DoE expressing our concern on the
delay in issuing revised TGD B and
that this delay period should not be used to lower standards of fire safety
required in new buildings
7. LGMSB REVIEW OF RETAINED FIRE SERVICE
M Hanly updated meeting on current strategy of Management for the
Negotiations with SIPTU re A
Subcommittee of CFOA have been asked to produce a cost neutral proposal where
earnings of smaller Brigades (50-100 call pa) would be enhanced at the expenses
of larger town brigades ( in excess of 200 calls p.a.).M Hanly invited
suggestions to meet this objective. M Hanly to ensure that
Survey returned to LGMSB on Retained Fire Service is available to all
Fire Authorities as a resource data base
8. Better Local Government a programme for change 1996
A meeting has taken place between IEI; SIPTU and IMPACT and LGMSB re Local Authority Engineers and proposed changes in L.A.’s in BLG .IMPACT kept a watching brief .on behalf of Engineers in Dublin Corporation .
Hon Sec to write to IMPACT requesting representation at any future meetings with other Unions or LGMSB on BLG involving negotiations by Senior Fire Officers if necessary
Meeting agreed to Chairman’s draft Capital proposals for Fire Service years 1998-2003 for submission to new Minister of Environment
9. Conferences 1997/1998
Chairman recorded his congratulation to speakers at Conference 1997
Conference 1998 was confirmed for Tullamore and D. O’Ceilleachair will be Conference Secretary in 1998
10 Draft code of Practice for Indoor Pop Concerts
It was noted that the draft was circulated to all Local Authorities. There was some discussion on recent events in Croke Park and Limerick and there was a divergence of views on whether Fire Authorities had a role in Outdoor Events. Chairman ask members to send their observations on the Draft Code to him as soon as possible to enable him to reply to DOE on the draft code by 11/07/97.
11 Circular from LGMSB on occupational health scheme for retained fire service
It was noted
that the scheme has been accepted by SIPTU at national level
12. DOE Circular on Uniforms for Fire Service
There was general dissatisfaction with the fact that there
was no consultation on the Uniforms with any
representative bodies in the Fire Service and with some of the detail in
the Specification for the uniform.
Chairman to write to DoE and request that the recommendations are only considered as a draft and that a Subcommittee be established from all ranks of the Fire Service to address the Uniform issue .
A.O.B.
1 It was noted that the DoE approvals for accepting tenders specifically required a report from Co. Engineer. Hon sec to clarify with DoE and note that this may be in breach of some internal arrangements in some Local Authorities.
2 Chairman noted that NSAI have circulated a draft Amendment on IS3216 Part 2 re clauses 4.5 and 4.6 respectively on piping
3. M Hanly read a draft Constitution for A Senior Fire Officers Vocational Group to be formed under the umbrella of the Union. It was agreed that he should proceed and circulate the draft to the other Fire Officer Groups.
4. There was some discussion on plastic pipes for u/g petroleum installations and it was agreed that if members had difficulties with deviations /innovations from SI 311 that such changes should be referred to HSA for observation and comment. It was noted that Licensing of Petroleum Installations in Dublin was been carried out by Environment Section rather than Fire Section.
5 It was noted that there are 1900 crèches/ playschools in Ireland to be registered under new Regulations Such premises should be certified by a Consultant Engineer / Architect experienced in Fire Safety
6 Chairman to investigate if NSAI would nominate a CFOA member to CEN committees on appliances and equipment 75% of travel costs can be recouped from EU. Doe have withdrawn their representation
7 Chairman to consider holding next FEU meeting in Ireland
Next meeting in Sept 1997 to be confirmed
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MINUTES OF MEETING OF CHIEF FIRE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AT IEI HQ DUBLIN ON 29 October 97
IN ATTENDANCE
M HANLY, D. O’CEILLEACHAIR E. MAGUIRE C. CORMICAN, V. MULHERN, F KERRANE S. MURPHY ,D. TRAENOR, G. MALONE , T.GLEESON, M. WALSH C MCCONN, J. MORAN ,K. CAFFREY, K. CASHEN, S MC DERMOTT, P FORKAN; M. RAFTERY & T. MCCARTHY AS CHAIRMAN.
APOLOGIES C. MURPHY, V. MAGUIRE
1. Minutes
The minutes of meeting of 25/06/97 were adopted by the meeting ;Proposed
T Gleeson, seconded
J. Moran
2. Matters arising out of the Minutes
None
3. Correspondence
The correspondence was read to the meeting
DoE reply of 18/08/97 in relation to Uniforms see below
Enclosure from Impact of letter from LGMSB of 11/06/97 re RSFO Agreement see below
Doe acknowledgement of 31/07/97 on Building Regulations see below
Letter from Impact re Revised qualifications for Post of AFO in Limerick
Corporation
in Control Centre
After some discussion on this item it was decided that the Hon Sec would write to Impact advising them that the CFOA consider that any change in conditions of Employment or Particulars of Office of Senior Fire Officers’ posts should be done as part of an overall negotiations and not on a piecemeal basis and that Impact should inform DoE ( Local Admin.) accordingly
4. Rostering On Call/ implementation
No change since previous meeting. Roster now implemented in Roscommon and
Wexford. In former case it was noted that pay was only backdated to May 1997. It
was noted that 3rd Officers in Dublin are in receipt of half RSFO Allowance (£2,000)
in addition to flexible duty allowance Senior Fire Officers in Dublin only paid half allowance at
present expect other half to be paid. Longford no progress
Hon Sec to write to Impact advising them to write to LGMSB
requesting a meeting to review the RSFO Agreement as two years is nearly
up and to address the particular problems in Longford, Dublin Roscommon Wexford
and Cavan in this meeting
It was noted that the LGMSB have conducted a telephone poll of Local Authorities on the Implementation of RSFO agreement recently
Regional Communications Reports
. CAMP West, Expect to go to Tender for Final System in near future
need extra high sites to meet communications criteria
Camp East No change
Camp Munster Cork Project expected to be completed in June
1998
6. Building Regulations/Control TGD B Review
Hon Sec circulated proposed revisions in TGD B re Combustible floors and proposed revisions re Oil Tanks in TGD J.
New TGD B and new regulations are expected to be issued by DoE IN December 1997.
There is an ongoing dispute between Timber Frame lobby and DoE re extent that new Technical Guidance will allow timber frame construction in domestic and commercial uses.
7. LGMSB REVIEW OF RETAINED FIRE SERVICE
M Hanly updated meeting on current strategy of Management for the
Negotiations with SIPTU A
proposal has been issued to SIPTU involving
increasing no of fire-fighters in
two pump Stations with no. of calls greater than 100 p.a. to 15 with rostering 7
on 1st turnout
5 on 2nd turnout and three off. The
minimum no. of fire-fighters in Single Pump Stations is 9 with no rostering in
Stations with less than 100 Calls p.a.
There is also a proposal to rebalance payments by reducing hourly rate by
20% and introducing a bonus payment of 20% of availability
depending on % attendance at fires.
8. Better Local Government a programme for change 1996
There was much discussion on this matter and Chairman to
seek a meeting with CCMA to discuss the CFOA proposals for enhanced role of Fire
Service as a Department of Civil Protection in new Structures for Local
Authorities
9. DOE Circular on Uniforms for Fire Service
After discussion it was agreed that Hon Sec write to Impact
requesting that they form a Subcommittee under the auspices
of the Union and other interested parties i.e. SIPTU to attempt to come
to agreement between all ranks on a Uniform for the Fire Service.
10 Circular from FSC on Review of Training in the Fire Service
The circular was noted by the meeting. It was noted that the Fire Services Council Guidelines for on Station Training which is referenced in above Draft Report is not achievable within the specified time period. Similarly fire-fighters were reluctant to sign after Training Sessions as in their view it violated their common law rights in the event of an injury and subsequent civil claim against the Fire Authority for negligence .
Hon Sec to
write to Fire Services Council to inform them of their concerns on this issue.
11 IFE Fire Journal for Ireland
This Publication is being issued by Jude Publications in
Dublin and is Dublin oriented
12 Doe Circular AQ 6/97 Control of VOC’s SI No. 375 of 1997
The circular was noted. If there is no co-operation from the retailer of Petroleum then the only sanction is to prosecute the offenders under the Parent Act the Air Pollution Act 1987. It was the view of the meeting that the approved assessor should be a chartered Engineer with professional indemnity insurance
A.O.B.
1. The circular 407/2/48 of 15/10/97 Fire & Emergency Operational Plans was noted . It was the view of the meeting that Chief Fire Officers in preparing such plans would allude to the necessary investment required to bring their Fire Brigade fleets up to standard
2. The Chairman read the relevant extract from Minister of Environment’s response to his submission on Capital Funding for the Fire Service A small increases in Capital Finding £500,000 approx. was expected in December 1997 Budget subject to Dept. Of Finance approval
3.A FEU meeting is being hosted by CFOA in Rochestown Park Hotel in Cork on 22nd 23rd November 1997
4. D Traenor raised the issue of electric curtains in Conference Centres and the fact that they obstruct exits and are in breach of Ease of Escape Regulations
Next meeting on 02/12/97 in Dublin to be confirmed
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MINUTES OF MEETING OF CHIEF FIRE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION
at Guinness Brewery Dublin
on 2 December 1997
IN ATTENDANCE:
T. McCarthy, (CHAIRMAN )C. MURPHY
D. O’CEILLEACHAIR E. MAGUIRE
C. CORMICAN, V.
MULHERN, S. MURPHY ,D. TRAENOR,
T.GLEESON, C
MCCONN, J. MORAN
,K. CAFFREY, K. CASHEN, P
FORKAN; M. RAFTERY. M Collins, S
Grogan, M Stack v Maguire,
APOLOGIES: S. McDermot, G Malone, D O’Mahoney, M Walsh, M Hanley
1. Minutes
The minutes of meeting of 29/10/97 were adopted by the meeting ;Proposed
D Traenor, seconded
C McConn
2. Matters arising out of the Minutes
D Traenor raised the question of the acceptability of electric curtains.
The Chairman made a presentation to Matt Murphy, Gen. Manager Guinness Ireland who had hosted the meeting
‘Environmental Pressure Testing’ gave a presentation on their Precision Leakage Detection system.
3. Correspondence:
- from Cantwell and Keogh regarding recognition as ‘approved assessors’ under Air pollution Act1987(Petroleum Vapour Emissions) Regulations.
- from the Montserrat Fund (£50 donation approved).
-from
Chairman to Al Butler regarding representation of Fire Officers interests
(because he had failed to return Chairman’s calls) .
The Chairman to contact Gen. Sec. of the union on this matter.
4. Rostered Senior Fire Officer- implementation
Longford - problems being resolved, Laois - not paid or rostered, Roscommon - no back-pay, Cavan - 2 Senior Executives being trained ( recruits course completed)
5. Regional Communications
West- Tender documents with DoE. East - no change . Munster no change.
6. Building Control
P. Forkan informed the meeting that the position with regard to TGD B revision will become clear on Dec. 18th. Secretary to get details of An Bord Pleanala decisions.
7. LGSMB review of Retained service
The document had been circulated to Ffrs. Union. K Cashin reported that a recent meeting of the Ffrs association had agreed not to co-operate with the Occupational Health scheme.
Chairman extended best wishes to M Hanley for a speedy recovery.
8. Uniforms
No change.
Sec to write to A. Butler regarding parity of allowance with Dublin F. B.
9. A o B
C McConn asked if there were any successful convictions for building without a cert. K Cashin had 1 and two pending.
Chairman paid tribute to J Moran who was attending his last meeting - referring to his contribution as C.F.O., as a former member of the fire Services Council and as a member of the Association.
Next meeting - February - date to be confirmed.
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